Liz Zalman is the co-founder and CEO of strongDM, makers of tools designed to make it easier to manage access to databases, servers, and Kubernetes clusters from one platform. Previously, she was co-founder and CEO of the cross-device profile company Media Armor, which was acquired by Nomi, where she later worked as VP of Insights and Client Services. Before that, Liz was an analytics professional at Dotomi for four-plus years. Join Corey and Liz for a spirited discussion about managing access in the cloud era and how to do it the right way. They touch upon how VPNs are helpful but not enough, why access controls need to be easy and seamless, why many security products end up becoming shelfware, how not even Google has implemented zero trust at scale, how Liz tried to become a tennis pro at age 28, what Liz can control at strongDM and what she can’t control, how companies don’t get sold but do get bought, and more.