Mike Julian is the CEO of The Duckbill Group, a company you might be familiar with. Prior to co-founding Duckbill with yours truly, Mike was editor in chief at Monitoring Weekly, principal at Aster Labs, a senior DevOps consultant at Taos, a senior systems engineer at Peak Hosting, and an operations engineer at Oak Ridge National Laboratory, among other positions. He’s also the author of Practical Monitoring: Effective Strategies for the Real World. Join Corey and Mike as they assess the current state of data centers and talk about how data centers are on their way out even if they’ll still be around for the foreseeable future, what it was like working at Oak Ridge, how Mike describes the two different kinds of data centers he’s encountered, the client that set up their infrastructure in a basement of a boat (below the waterline), why you never want to forget your jacket en route to the data center, why you should cut cables when you throw them away, why data centers need 180 days of lead time, and more.