Bobby Allen is the Vice President of Strategic Alliances at Turbonomic, where he helps companies automate cloud application resource management. He’s also a Pastor of Stewardship at Wellspring Church. Previously, Bobby worked as CTO and Chief Marketing Evangelist at CloudGenera, a project manager at ServiceMesh, a vice president and technical project manager at Bank of America, and a systems analyst at Intel, among other positions. Join Corey and Bobby as they talk about cloud therapy and what it entails, how folks almost have a level of PTSD after large cloud transformation projects, how humility is the hardest part of cloud projects (i.e., asking for help), why things aren’t necessarily bad just because they are old, what exactly it is Turbonomic does, what it was like managing a building renovation problem for a church, what attracted Bobby to becoming a pastor, why people need to listen to their spouses more often, how to evaluate better vs. different, how being a pastor helps Bobby thrive as a cloud therapist, and more.