Fredrick Lee is the Chief Security Officer at Gusto, a platform that helps businesses administer payroll and employee benefits. Before joining Gusto, Fredrick served as Head of Information Security at Square, Director of Security at NetSuite, Lead Security Engineer at Twilio, and VP at Bank of America, among other positions. He has a bachelor of science degree in computer engineering from the University of Oklahoma. Join Corey and Flee as they discuss the differences between CSOs and CISOs, how Gusto thinks about security, the difference between data owners and data custodians, how security is different at companies like Bank of America, Gusto, and Twilio, how the average employee thinks about security, how successful security teams are able to drive behavioral change at their organizations, what major conferences on security get wrong, why Flee believes security should be by default and not an add-on, how more secure products can drive adoption, why providers should help customers make the right security choices by default, and more.